
Some conservative Bruce Walker wrote some crazy rant entitled the Godless Delusion for, among other places, the conservative online magazine American Thinker. The title and subsequent perusal of the magazine makes one wonder is apathetic ignorance a better state of mind for Americans than this sort of thinking? Frightening, but I digress. I call it a crazy rant because it doesn't try to prove anything but rather just spews non sequitors, logical fallacies, and unfounded assertions of christian propaganda.
To give credit where credit is due, he starts off well by saying, "There is evil in the world because people choose evil. Each of us has a conscience. We instinctively know what is right and wrong." Bravo! That's something many have been challenging christians on for some time. I've touched on it before commenting on ramifications of experiments showing mammalian altruism, Christopher Hitchens responded to the attack that atheists can't comprehend good and evil by Michael Gerson, and there have been countless arguments made to dispel this myth from George Smith's Atheism: The Case Against God all the way back to at least Epicurius and his famous questions
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Yet still we're plagued by the christian assertion. So great, here's a right-winger saying we "instinctively know what is right and wrong". So far so good. However, that's where if you want a sound article you'd have to stop reading because it's downhill fast from there.
He goes on to write, "The source of evil may be identified as the Devil, but it is more precisely a rejection of God. When God is at the center of our lives, then evil is not." Well evil may be identified as my ass after a day of wings and beer or more seriously as exploiting your authority to rape children, but to say it's the Devil or a rejection of the christian god sounds as ridiculous as Kathy Bates did in The Waterboy. In fact, I think she made more sense because despite how silly her reasons were for declaring something "the devil" and therefore evil, she at least gave reasons. Mr. Walker here merely makes an unfounded assertion. What follows next is summarily going down the list of christian propaganda. First there's asserting Atheism is a religion, followed by how christianity is better than the other religions of Aztecs (wait, didn't Conquistadors have the blessing of the church when they killed millions in Peru alone, not to mention the atrocities in the rest of South and Central America?) and Asians and of course, to unknowingly prove Godwin's Law, he brings up the Nazis and then those godless Communists. The latter being a foundation of modern christian propaganda despite being trounced time and again.
His further "proof" that christianity is better is "Almost every single movement or belief which we now consider good originated in Christianity or Judaism. Abolitionism, prison reform, compassion for animals, equality before the law, medical science, systematic intellectual inquiry - nearly everything - traces back to a Christian or a Jew." I don't know what makes me laugh harder, the ridiculousness of making these assertions or the individual assertions themselves. Abolitionism? Really? You're going to go with that when slavery was justified with the bible? When the bible, rather than say slavery is bad (that would have been a great commandment, perhaps in place of one of the several that say the same thing already, that you can't have any other gods since, apparently, the christian god is a VERY insecure and jealous bitch), actually tells you how you can beat them? Equality before the law? Yes, if you're not a woman, or gay or an insolent child or maybe black. Maybe the most laughable is "systematic intellectual inquiry". Really? So why is science so bad then and resisted by the church throughout history? Oh wait, he gets to that later.
The wheels REALLY come off the wagon and it goes tumbling down nonsense hill into crazy valley next. There's the praise of the concept of sin and the process of repentance and renewal which is supposedly something that makes them live moral lives. The concept is fundamentally flawed. For instance, if Dick hurts Jane and then asks for forgiveness from god, how does this help Jane? Where's her justice? This isn't morality, this is how to make yourself feel better and erase that annoying guilt of conscience that we all, as Walker admits, instinctively have. So this concept of being able to rationalize and do away with our guilt without properly having to pay for our crimes nor make any attempt at restitution to those we hurt is a moral life that he claims makes jews and christians "the best people on Earth".
Then there's science. Remember when he said christianity made possible "systematic intellectual inquiry" possible? Well ironically, science seems to be a bad thing. The limits of our ability to know he claims are set by his god (why? well knowing stuff I guess is bad so the big guy created road blocks), says science is a religion, and goes on to say "knowing much beyond what we already know about the universe is increasingly improbable" but that's ok since "no serious person today can think that material benefits will make us happier". So thanks christianity for giving us systematic intellectual inquiry but hey, there are limits to how much we can know, god limits how much we can know, we already know about as much as we can ever know and really, what would more advances give us? According to Mr. Walker, the advances we have today have just made us obese, bored, and into horrific, and perverse entertainment (plus some occasional dabbling in violence, promiscuous sex and drugs).
How someone can start off so well and then fall so hard and so fast is beyond me, but Mr. Walker does just that. I'm guessing he created the title first and then started typing some flow of consciousness crap since never once did he look back at the title and make an attempt to prove being godless is a delusion. I'd say he even failed at giving any reasons why being godless is bad or less desirable than being god fearing, let alone christian. I can only hope that one day he shrugs off his own delusions, the ones that prevent him from recognizing what we "instinctively know what is right and wrong", and live a healthy, happy and truly moral life.
2007-11-13
Godless Delusion?
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Bruce "Genius" Walker said: ""knowing much beyond what we already know about the universe is increasingly improbable"
Hmmmm... doesn't THIS sound familiar? Hasn't this been asserted every generation since Plato? CERTAINLY it was said a hundred years ago. We have gained probably 90% of our total knowledge of the universe in those hundred years.
Wasn't it the CHURCH that repeatedly persecuted science for 500 years? Wasn't every major finding of science that the church was up in arms against, later vindicated and accepted by that same church and now, apparently, co-opted as something that was brought to you by Christian philosophy?
And now, as Philly Chief accurately points out, the current science is out of whack according to Christians. In 2000, scientists are actively persecuted in quite the same was as 300 years ago. But the same know-it-alls who KNEW the science was wrong before, are the ones CERTAIN it is wrong again.
Hmmmm... with whom should I cast my intellectual nets upon the world? The "fishers of men"? Or those that have correctly seen that it's "from fish to men"?
Philly:
I don't know why it continues to surprise us atheists that Christians lie repeatedly about both science and history. Religions must resist advances in knowledge (or even, in many cases, the promulgation of knowledge that we as a species already possess). That's because knowledge of the world, and the understanding that there are ways to increase that knowledge, are antithetical to every faith system that has ever existed. Superstition requires a level of ignorance. Organized superstition benefits only when ignorance is widespread enough to maintain itself. So it is a necessity for every "spiritual" leader to keep his charges in the dark. "Let there be light," has never been a motto of any religion.
Evo:
Well, as Lao-Christ said Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Urge him to fish for men and you make all his ideas fishy; the stronger and more pervasive they become, the more they stink.
[The term “religious people” is meaningless. All people – especially militant anti-theists – are religious.]
[At the subatomic level, we can never predict exactly what will happen. The Uncertainty Principle, which has been loitering inconveniently around the science of Quantum Physics for about eighty years, still rules. Quantum Mechanics always allows for an excellent statistical expectation of what will happen at the subatomic level, but it never allows certainty. God has created another absolute bar to human knowledge.]
[One might think that those who worship science would wake up.]
[And how do we sate our boredom? Increasingly, our entertainment is horrific and perverse. Our obsession with violence, promiscuous sex and dangerous drugs is as obvious as the cure to those sicknesses: God. Without God, we cannot even imagine anything good (if you doubt that, try to imagine Heaven.) Those who reject God suffer from the Godless Delusion.]
I’m in the wrong line of work. I should look for a writing job at Conservative truth.org; you obviously need no qualifying education, and it’s always a plus when you get paid to do it. Maybe I should let all those years as a Christian pay me a little something back.
Here is my first draft;
God is good.
Atheists are evil.
Atheists are what is wrong with the world.
Science is the atheists’ bitch.
Science is illusion.
My God can kick your God’s ass.
I’m not listening to you blahblahblah.
Science gives you cancer.
Science will make your crotch stink.
Science makes up stuff.
Science has gone as far as it can go.
Nazi’s were all scientists.
All scientists are atheists.
Pol-Pot
Pick my god and get a free toaster. (Offer only valid upon a successful death and resurrection and upon St. Peters mood).
I figure I will get more readers if I keep the sentence structure short.
Good idea sticking to short sentences, unless you're going to quote scripture. Then you can paste in a whole block of text and in fact, the longer the block the more the christians will feel you've proved what you're saying.
I get a perverse entertainment going through christian arguments for things, which is another reason why I hate this article. He was just so lazy about it. It's just all assertions. In the words of Cartman, "that's like, totally lame".
Philly, read my post today, you'll get a kick out of it.
All in good clean fun.
Exterminator: Give a man a fish you've fed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll spend the weekend out fishing, drinking beer with his buddies! Woohoo!
John: Your comment reminded me of a passage in "The Demon Haunted World" where Carl Sagan asked the Dalai Lama what would happen to Tibetan Buddhism if science disproved reincarnation. The Lama replied "Well, then Tibetan Buddhism would have to change."
So simple and honest, right?
I don't understand why being proven wrong about something scares religious people so much, particularly Christians. Then I remember it's because the history of Christianity is so intricately wound up with political power, starting with Constantine.
Christianity would do itself-- not to mention the rest of us-- a service if it could shuffle off that baggage and adopt a position more like the Dalai Lama's.
A., you said: Christianity would do itself-- not to mention the rest of us-- a service if it could shuffle off that baggage and adopt a position more like the Dalai Lama's.
The Dalai Lama, contrary to popular belief, is not apolitical. Hitchens covers this fact nicely and succinctly on p. 200 of God Is Not Great.
You have to love Hitchens-- he has no sacred cows. Nothing and no one is off limits or otherwise safe from his zeal to expose people for who or what they are. Plus there's that acidic, british wit we all envy so much.
I know I am a fanboy and use both his arguments and his style the best I can. I've even developed quite a taste for single malt scotch, although I have to admit that started before I had actually known who he was.
I've always thought the best arguments are the ones where you remain even keeled and surgically proceed with something like, "well you're wrong and this is why...". He manages that so well, but with that voice and the sloshing of scotch it's simply too cool. :)
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