
There's something I feel I have to get off my chest because it's pissing me off to no end. It's something that I feel we as critical thinkers and attackers of irrationality in all it's forms seem to hypocritically either glance over ourselves in our personal lives or not take our fellow critical thinkers to task over and that's engaging in ends justify the means behavior. First I want to mention something that I was involved in arguing that spilled over here between myself and Mrs. Chief.
On an online forum a guy mentioned he was going to try hypnotism to stop smoking and asked if anybody knew anything about it, knew anyone who had been "cured" from it or if anybody knew if it was bunk. Afterwards, he said that he felt it was working since he'd been without a craving for several days. Everyone congratulated him and wished him well but I asked how the hypnotism went. What he described was classic side show hucksterism, complete with the "stiff as a board" trick and making the whole event drag on for hours to exhaust and wear down the resistance of the participants. The final trick was having them respond to things as a group while under hypnosis, prompting people to say what others were saying (love that peer pressure). I had told the guy beforehand that I was pretty sure that it could work but as a placebo, meaning if you believed hard enough that it would work, then it might just work (ie - see Dumbo). Now what set me off was he was one of the people brought on stage (right there alarms go off in my head at hearing "stage") to assist during the "stiff as a board" trick and having witnessed it up close said, "seeing it happen I KNEW it was real". Naturally I told him that just because you can't figure out a card trick doesn't mean the guy with the cards can work magic, and the same is true with what he saw. Well that brought on the shit storm from everyone, essentially attacking me for trying to undo the "effect" of the hypnotism and sending this poor guy right back to his cancer sticks.
Problem #1 - does anyone see anything wrong with a solution that could be ruined by someone asking questions about it and making you think about it? I can't help but think of those Roadrunner cartoons where Wile E. Coyote is there hovering over a canyon because he doesn't know he's not standing on ground. As soon as it's pointed out to him, he falls. Is this really the kind of cure you'd want? Is this the kind of cure you'd want for someone you cared about, one that was so tenuous? Unfortunately, many say "yes" because it may be working for this guy and they don't want to rock the boat. One big question often posed by these people (and by Mrs Chief which sent her on the warpath) is, "what's the harm if it's working?" What's the harm? 
Problem #2 - fostering gullibility. Without questioning this hypnotism charade, it fosters both an increase in gullibility for the guy who went through it as well as anyone reading the story thinking perhaps there's a similar bit of woo out there to solve their problems, be it smoking or anything else. Now there seems to be reputable hypnotism offices, more of a clinical type of experience, and I don't want to disparage them since I haven't researched them enough, but I'm pretty damn sure they don't employ stages or other manipulative techniques. More importantly, if you read this guy's story and thought about giving hypnotism a try, would you bother looking into hypnotism to see if there is a clinical version, perhaps researching track records and such or would you simply go to the nearest one you could find? This sort of thing is perfect for bilking rubes, and stories like this guy's are wonderful advertisements for these cons. If you have any concern for your fellow humans, I would think it would then be a duty to try and prevent people from becoming future victims and the way you do that is by asking questions and critically analyzing this bit of woo.
The grander issue is often ignored because of the immediate local result. This is actually a wide sweeping issue and one that I often argue with people over, especially when it comes to legislation, but for today lets just focus on this woo. What the people (like Mrs. Chief) who fend off my inquiries and defend this crap since it's working are doing is employing "ends justify the means". This is an idea that whatever you do is fine as long as it gives you the desired result. This is something that we frequently take the religious and other irrationalists to task for since they do it all the time. Lying, stealing, violence, what have you are all fine as long as it brings about the desired result. Waterboarding anyone? How about detaining people without charges? How about pushing ID in schools to backdoor god into education? Ends justify the means. Yet somehow on a local or personal level, we don't see it or perhaps we do but cleverly rationalize it to make it excusable.
Now what I see as a problem that's maybe worse than the rationalizing is the people who stay on the sidelines not willing to point out the problems. Ironically, the ones who do this often only do it when it involves someone they care for, essentially becoming a participant in rationalizing ends justify the means themselves. "Well I think he's off his rocker but I don't want to put the screws to my friend." Yeah well nice going, pal. If you let that happen and then turn around and rail on someone else for doing it, that makes you a hypocrite. Congratulations. Now after suffering the arrows at home from Mrs. Chief over this, hell, I certainly have nothing to fear taking people I like to task over this. In fact, I'd say my motivation is BECAUSE I care about them. I'll take them to task because I think someone who says they don't want to take their friend to task as an act of friendship, to not upset them, is really making an act of selfish cowardice. They don't want to have to suffer the possible anger and loss of friendship from their friend so they stay quiet, and the result is far from helping, or caring for another.
So first off is this article from Chaplain. In her own words:
"Therefore, my primary reasons for offering prayers of any sort would be to a) ease the discomfort of another who would regard the prayer as an act of kindness, or b) fulfill a ritual that, while meaningless to me, is important to someone in my presence... if someone is ill and will be comforted by a few words uttered at the bedside, my prayer may provide psychological and emotional comfort to that person. My primary purpose in visiting, after all, should be to support and comfort the one who is ill in any way possible.
"Any way possible". Nice rephrasing of "ends justify the means". Make no mistake, it's the same fucking thing. Oh on the local scale, for that brief moment, it may seem to comfort the sick individual. What's wrong with that? Well, you're fostering the belief. That's number one (which Chaplain does acknowledge). But what if they're dying. what's the harm? Hello rationalization! Still, let's let you have that one. What about everyone else there though? Friends, family, hospital workers, all witnessing this prayer thing and this idea that it works or at least is comforting. Hey, now you've just encouraged and reinforced the behavior in them, and don't forget about problem #2 above, fostering gullibility. Yup, you've just done that, eroding a little piece of critical thinking and the desire to question inside of every witness of your going along with the prayer charade, and the better person and/or the more respected you are, the greater the effect you'll have, meaning the larger the piece is that you've just eroded. Nice job. Now you'll probably scoff at the suggestion that this can lead to people finding no problem with choosing prayer over medicine, as in the case for poor Madeline Neumann, but I will point out that in the Wisconsin Criminal Code 948.03 - Physical abuse of a child, there is the following exemption:
(6) TREATMENT THROUGH PRAYER.
A person is not guilty of an offense under this section solely because he or she provides a child with treatment by spiritual means through prayer alone for healing in accordance with the religious method of healing permitted under s. 48.981 (3) © 4. or 448.03 (6) in lieu of medical or surgical treatment.
Now how does something like that make it's way onto the books? How is it that people don't object? How is it that it took over a month for the DA to charge Madeline's parents? Because of the resistance to object to prayer over medicine, both as someone who believes in it and as someone who doesn't want to upset or offend another who does. Both of those sentiments get reinforced on a daily basis countless times by countless people by the "harmless" acts of playing along in rituals and other bullshit like Chaplain described in her article. Now the latter sentiment comes out at the end of Chaplain's article:
"Moreover, hospital rooms, family reunions, church pot lucks and other such settings are not good venues for launching into detailed explications of one’s rejection of religion."
So now, refusing to accept the woo boot at your throat, refusing to foster the belief in woo, refusing to foster greater gullibility in others and refusing to further erode their critical thinking skills is seen as being selfish, offensive and harmful! Reality has been turned upside-down! Suddenly refusing to participate in something you don't accept is seen as slapping someone across the face? Amazing. This is that selfish cowardice I mentioned earlier, that not wanting to rock the boat for fear of the grief you'll feel and the possible end of a relationship that you feel YOU'LL cause, when it's not you who would cause it, would you? It would be them. Perhaps maybe you don't want to face that whatever relationship you're in is a charade, that it's held aloft by the same things holding aloft the Coyote, a whole lotta nothing, so you play along. You tell yourself that being yourself would somehow be harmful and offensive to someone so for THEIR sake you protect THEM and thus the relationship. Make no mistake, you're engaging in more ends justify the means, doing whatever it takes to maintain a relationship, and rationalizing doing it.
Now it's time to turn to OG. OG was preparing to visit her family who are religious. She set a bunch of rules for herself so as not to provoke any hostility from them but did not delude herself at least as far as her motivation. "These are the rules I devised myself to avoid controversy" she said. She also went on to say:
"I don't want to be in a constant argument every time I talk to my family. I don't want to upset and worry them. I don't want to be the black sheep who isn't invited to weddings and other important family events." 
Well ok, but then she said, "it's not their fault I'm like that." Yes, you're engaging in some selfish cowardice, but whose dictating these so-called "self-imposed" rules? Are they not the price of admission, the membership fees for being a part of the family? Also, by paying the fees, you are encouraging ends justify the means philosophy. You're encouraging it within your family, and in everyone who witnesses you playing along, perhaps even some of those reading your blog. Now it possibly becomes ok in someone's mind to pay similar fees, to play along with prayer charades or do whatever to maintain a relationship because YOU do it and you're someone to look up to and all of us who don't call you on it, who turn a blind eye to that, are guilty too, make no mistake of that. We're all throwing gasoline on the fire. We're all fostering an environment with more abusers and of course, more victims. Ends don't justify the means, and no amount of rationalizing will change that. 
2008-05-12
Calling out "Ends Justify The Means"
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Excellent post. But I'm not sure I would have singled out chappy & OG.
I've seen plenty of ends-justifies-means thinking in political discussions this year -- even from you.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you say a few months ago that Obama's oozing Christianity was what it took for him to get elected? I seem to remember arguing with you about that.
Of course, we argue about so many things -- those of us who are 99.9% in agreement -- that I might be recalling incorrectly. But I don't think so.
I think Obama really is a committed christian, so I can't fault him the brochure.
I don't know many people. If I knew more, then the odds would be greater that I'd know more people guilty of employing ends justify the means and I'd point at them too, as I'd expect someone to point at me if I'm guilty, which you seem confident I am, and on numerous occasions no less, so point away. That's cool. That was the point of this post.
It's so easy and so tempting, which is precisely why we should be on guard, and probably why we need someone else to point it out for us because we can be blind to it in ourselves (or we just rationalize really well).
OG and Chaplain had recent articles. The stars aligned, so to speak. Maybe I should root through more blogs or past postings and find more examples from more people (and myself). Come to think of it, SI was pretty pleased about the Phelps decision. Hmmm...
Well, unfortunately, I think we're all guilty occasionally of using end-justifies-means tactics. It is tempting, even for people who deplore that kind of thing.
Anyway, I'm eager to read chappy's and OG's responses.
I knew my post would provoke a strong reaction from some folks but I decided to put it out there anyway.
When one looks at the big, broad picture, the points you made in your post are worth noting. Every time someone goes along to get along, we perpetuate an archaic, oppressive system. But guess what? I don't live in the big, broad picture. I live in a small picture inhabited by real people with whom I have real relationships. I'm trying to devise ways to be true to my newly emerging self and still maintain relationships that have been partially built upon premises that no longer exist.
Even though I value truth greatly (I would never have deconverted if truth didn't mean a helluva lot to me; it would have been much easier to hold onto even a shallow faith than to walk away from it completely), I also value human connections. The vast majority of my human connections hold fairly conservative theistic worldviews, a worldview I once shared. Since I'm the one who's changing the parameters of the relationship, I'm the one who bears the responsibility for negotiating those changes as smoothly as possible. I'm the one who will have to decide how and when, if ever, I come out to the people I care about - one person at a time.
For those who can't quite comprehend the relational dilemmas that atheists embedded in theistic families face, I suggest that you try a thought experiment. Imagine that the person closest to you decided, after much thought and examination, to convert to a theistic religion. How easy would it be for that person to come out to you? How easily would you accept that significant change in your loved one's outlook on life? Would you accept the change without question, or would you try to open some dialogs about the matter? Would you discuss the issue once and then let it lie, or would you want to revisit the issue? If you wanted to talk about it, would your loved one perceive your continued discussions as dialog or harassment? Is there a point at which the dialogs would cross the line from discussion to nagging? These are the relational dynamics that atheists in theistic families have to wrestle with. Is coming out as an atheist to those people worth the relational stresses that would follow? Sometimes it may be, and other times it won't. Those decisions depend entirely upon the individuals involved and the depth of the religious convictions held by one's family. Many times, those things cannot be evaluated accurately by observers.
In closing, let me shift away from the immediate issue of atheism vs. theism and draw some analogies. Those of us who are not gay are well advised to refrain from judging gays who choose, for whatever reasons, to remain in their closets rather than march in Gay Pride Parades. Those of us who have never been pulled over for Driving While Black, or had people cross the street to avoid looking in our eyes, will never understand what racism feels like. There are points at which we who have never lived through particular circumstances can only have, at best, theoretical understandings of them. We will never know what it's like to live and feel those lives.
Philly, you're entitled to your opinion and I admire your passion and commitment. This is simply one area in which I will have to disagree with your prescription and make my own way forward.
I think you can fly a lot of big balloons with all that hot air, and fly them to lands as far away from here as many of your points were from the point of this post of mine. Racism? Discrimination of gays? Really? What on Earth are you going on about?
Look it's very simple, if you participate in behavior you don't believe then you empower and give credence to that behavior. If you somehow are saying you're being coerced into participation like blacks facing segregation or gays hiding in the closet, that's another issue but that's not what you said in your original post, Chaplain. You said:
"Therefore, my primary reasons for offering prayers of any sort would be to a) ease the discomfort of another who would regard the prayer as an act of kindness, or b) fulfill a ritual that, while meaningless to me, is important to someone in my presence.
I don't see coercion there, but rather willing participation along with rationalization for it and your participation in it.
Now this new wrinkle you're introducing (which I guess is the rational for the gay analogy) is what I described in my post, the selfish cowardice, however you're making the same mistake OG made in that you're both taking responsibility for and excusing those you're in a relationship with of the subsequent abuse and ending of that relationship that you're coming out and/or refusal to participate in their behavior you don't agree with would cause. You said yourself that you still care about these people, even after you no longer buy into many of their beliefs and views, so it sounds to me like you don't bear the responsibilities for the negatives that may result from your outing, THEY do. If you can still love them yet they would stop loving you, it seems pretty clear to me who bears the responsibility. YOU would never force them to participate in your behaviors or exhibit acceptance of your views as conditions for your love and friendship, would you? I'm willing to bet you would find that rather repugnant, and quite an evil to lord over others in such a way, yet you seem quite content to excuse others for lording over you in that manner. Even worse, your willingness to do this sends out the message to all who witness that this master and slave mentality is quite normal and fine.
You're right though, I can't possibly understand. I can't understand people making such demands upon me as the price for participation or continued participation in a relationship nor can I understand accepting that and going along with it. What I can understand is rationalizing the unseemly to obtain something that you want, and that's what I see both in your original post and in your comment here Chaplain, and that's classic ends justify the means thinking.
I agree with Philly on this, though I personally don't have the courage to confront others on every single woo issue. I am rationalizing when I defer and somewhere inside me, I know it. The reasons FEEL RIGHT, but they aren't. Like Ex says, I think we all are guilty at times but that doesn't excuse any of us.
Now, on a related point, I'd just like to again say that if it were up to me and the entire world could be deconverted overnight, I'd have to think long and hard about the possible consequences of that before I'd do it.
Philly said:
You said:
"Therefore, my primary reasons for offering prayers of any sort would be to a) ease the discomfort of another who would regard the prayer as an act of kindness, or b) fulfill a ritual that, while meaningless to me, is important to someone in my presence.
I don't see coercion there, but rather willing participation along with rationalization for it and your participation in it.
You conveniently excised the above quote that you detest from its context, which I set in the preceding paragraph:
I won’t offer to do it, but, if asked, I may not automatically refuse either, although I’d prefer not to do it.
Some cases are more coercive than others, certainly, but once the request is made, there is pressure to conform. The request is made with the expectation that the answer will be "yes." Also, note that I did not say I would definitely acquiesce to the requests in all cases. I frankly don't know for sure what I'll do until I'm in the situation of having to make a decision. And yes, I offered reasons - rationalizations, if you prefer - why I may occasionally find it necessary to go along with such requests.
Do I wish I could live up to the ideal of never succumbing to "ends justify the means?" Of course. Unfortunately, the world I live in is far from ideal. Much as I dislike it, my evaluation of my situation has led me to conclude that sometimes compromises are necessary. It sucks, but that's the reality of where I am right now.
I think you're effectively saying "the means aren't justified because they have other ends/outcomes than those intended." In the situations you're discussing, you believe that the negative consequences of the false belief outweigh the positive consequences. Fair enough - but I'm not sure this is always the case.
The trouble is that what people believe does have a significant and measurable effect, which can be positive, even if what they believe is wrong.
I'm torn on this one - on one level it is vital for the medical profession to have accurate information about the efficacy of various drugs and their possible side effects. This is vital to ensure they choose the best treatments and exclude snake oil.
But in many cases it may be true that communicating this information to the patient makes the treatment less efficacious than it would be if delivered with greater confidence.
Modern medicine has achieved marvels way beyond the dreams of a snake-oil salesman. It's achieved this success by being sceptical about evidence, significance and probability, and excluding human factors.
And yet in many patients' minds this scepticism is seen as indicating a lack of confidence in the method... and so they have less belief that it will work. Which may make the treatment slightly less effective than it would have been if they had more confidence in it. Or, worse, it may make them turn to methods which are trumpeted as 100% effective because they've never been scrutinised with such rigour.
I don't think there's a clear answer - but I certainly don't think we can afford to overlook the power of belief even when misplaced.
No, I'm say the ends don't justify the means. Examples:
• Removing free speech
• Holding people without charges
• Invading ones privacy
are not means that become justified if they somehow bring about a "good" end. You simply can't have carte blanche to do whatever the fuck you want to bring about the ends you desire. Capiche?
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