The Christians are now placing bus ads, because, well, they're so original. Anyway, I felt their ad was missing something. You know, leaving out an essential part of the story, so I went ahead and fixed it. Any Christian group interested in this fix, let me know. You can have it free of charge. Merry Christmas!
2008-12-09
Christian Bus Ad Fix
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Good one Philly! I would love to see that on a bus.
At least it's honest now.
Personally I'd prefer with the quote left off all together, so that the viewer could just come up with their own answer to "Why Believe?". It's enough I think just to plant the question in their minds.
That being said, your quote is much better than that of the Christian group :)
Well I'd have to disagree with you Mikayla, because just having those Michelangelo hands with the question would reinforce the nonsense.
I think the absurdity of belief should be what's focused on in atheist ads. I've had some ideas kicking around in my head lately, and when I get a chance to hammer them out, I'll post them here.
The irony of this "fix" is that it serves my concept of the absurd AND it's what Christians have been advertising for centuries and still do to this day, usually in the form of Pascal's wager.
i love the updated version! Sweet!
nice one.
Much better than the original.
Well, nobody has ever proved that god isn't a child molestor in disguise either....
Very funny!
-Z
Forced love.....ahhh. That is true love.
Ah, and that's religion.
How are ya Philly?
Long time no talk to.
Great. How's that forced love treatin' ya 2nd time around?
You sound like you have some moral outrage against the idea of Hell. Why? Question-begging, me-centered moralising?
I find love predicated on a threat of violence as repugnant, so even if your fantasy sky daddy is real, he'd still be an asshole. Does that clear things up for you?
A little, I guess.
Why is it bad to be what you said? All you're giving me is your personal opinion, kinda like you might rip the team captain of your rival sports team. So what? Maybe I think he's a great guy. So who's right and how can we know?
Agree with me always or I'll punch your wife in the cunt.
Do I sound like a good, moral guy Rho? I'd say I'm better than your god, since a cunt punch hardly compares to an eternity of torture. You'd be getting off easy with me, but I'm a softy like that. :)
If you repeatedly punch her cunt in slow motion, that might be like sending her to heaven though.
Rhology, heaven is where God sodomizes his flock. There is absolute proof that this is true, the thing is that God has been dishonest with humankind about his real intentions all those 6000 years that he has been sodomizing his chosen faithful. This is also why God likes circumsisions and why he watches you in the privacy of your bedroom when you're fucking. He also likes to make you feel bad about having sex because his ego is hurt when he isn't the subject of your affection.
Not good. My rational mind took over rather quickly.
Its a real joy being back in the state of apathy.
I will not jump back on that wagon again.
QF: I just laughed so hard I think I have to change my shorts.
JP: Oh boy, you sound like you're in a pickle now. They say you should never see how a movie is made because it'll take the magic out of it for you. So now you're feeling magicless. Well perk up little camper, it's ok. Feel free to drop me an email sometime if you don't want your dirty laundry aired for the public, otherwise air away. Iggy will be crushed with the news. Does he know yet? Should I send him flowers?
Philly,
I am fine brother, better than fine actually. You can send iggy a postcard if you like. I have not heard from him in many many months. You probably scared him away with your satanic preaching.......
....sinner.
Nice work, Philly.
You chased Rhology off again (some folks are so predictable), and you brought JP back (some folks aren't).
So the answer to Rhology is a cunt punch? Maybe, but I'll hand the credit to Quantum_Flux.
I don't know if JP is "back" or not, and I have no idea whether I have anything to do with that one way or another. I would hope he's come to his senses, and that's something he doesn't need anyone else for.
JP: There was a gaggle of knuckleheads convinced they were in battle for your soul, of which Iggy was one of them. I just imagined they'd be sad if they thought you weren't on their team anymore.
I won't lose sleep over that. My soul will survive with or without their plea's.
John Evo,
How are you brother, long time no talk to.
Don't feel badly...
No one's heard much from me lately.
Nice work, Philly. You chased Rhology off again (some folks are so predictable)
Haha, and *I'm* the one who's all about scoring points?
Sorry, but I've just been away from PC.
PhilCh said:
Agree with me always or I'll punch your wife
So your answer is to try and shock me with your profane vulgarity? Wow - the sheer brilliance of your reasoning processes is astounding.
You're just one man - why should I believe that YOU'RE the one whose might SHOULD make right? Make the argument.
Even if you did have enough power to make everyone conform to your moral code on pain of punching, what does that say about the OUGHTNESS, the GOODNESS, of your moral code? What makes a code imposed by one man's power right?
Do I sound like a good, moral guy Rho?
If I were a consistent atheist, I'd tell you your question is hogwash. There is no such thing as "good" if one is consistent with one's atheistic position. that's my whole point.
I'd say I'm better than your god
Well, I say you're not. Who's right and how can we know?
QF said:
heaven is where God sodomizes his flock.
Prove it. How do you know?
There is absolute proof that this is true, the thing is that God has been dishonest with humankind about his real intentions all those 6000 years that he has been sodomizing his chosen faithful.
This is a semi-original objection, but I've already dealt with it at length. Kudos for some originality, though.
This is also why God likes circumsisions
According to the Bible, He likes circumcision b/c it is a sign of His loving covenant with His people.
But go ahead - how do you know this about God's opinion of circumcision?
Did God speak to you? Did you find it in the Bible? Did an angel tell you? Was it written on a scrap of paper in Jimmy Hoffa's pocket when you dug him up?
Peace,
Rhology
Well you were close Rho, but you missed where the vulgarity was. The vulgarity is forcing anyone with threat of violence to do whatever you say, and your god would be the supreme vulgarian. My cunt punch pales in comparison.
Atheism has nothing to say about good, bad, ugly, or the price of tea in China, Rho. Atheism is a position on one issue. How many times must that be explained to you?
Very well. Let's go into that a bit.
How do you know that "vulgarity is forcing anyone with threat of violence to do whatever you say"? Prove it. Where is this standard for vulgarity found in nature? Where does it grow? Of what elements is it composed?
Next, how do you know that vulgarity is bad? How do you know that forcing people to do what you say is bad, morally wrong? Prove it. Where is this standard for goodness and badness found in nature?
I am also unsure how many times it has to be explained to YOU that when I say "atheism" in these types of discussions, I refer to ANY atheistic worldview. Naturalism, pantheism (which is practically indistinguishable from atheism), physicalism, whatever. How about you stop hiding behind that lame non-statement and actually answer some of my questions? Insulting is easy and thinking is hard, I know, but with a little practice...
And again I remind you your use of the word atheism is incorrect and displays either a gross and willfully stubborn ignorance or a deliberately deceitful intent.
Pantheism is "practically indistinguishable from atheism"? That's almost as funny as Quantum's comments, but not in a good way.
Also, for the Nth time, it's a waste of time advocating anything for you since as a presuppositionalist, you are incapable of accepting anything that's contrary to your religious beliefs. I'd just as soon explain the virtues of a nice steak to a vegan. So your repeated requests for justification for my positions are inherently disingenuous, and therefore will, as always, be ignored.
Peas and carrots,
PhillyChief
Maybe I'm waiting for someone who knows their stuff to prove my position wrong. You can always start by answering my questions.
You know, we're all familiar with weak and insecure Christians who act like buffoons by doing stuff like lobbying to remove this or that book written by an atheist from public libraries, etc. How is your head-in-the-sand, assumption-heavy approach qualitatively different from that?
Unless that changes, you're nothing more than a fundamentalist. You talk a big game but when it hits the fan, you run away screaming. Why should anyone who cares about reason be an atheist?
It's not a question of whether I know my stuff or not, it's a question of whether you'd listen objectively. As a presuppositionalist, there's no reason to believe you would, and you've admitted you wouldn't, thus, I won't bother.
See if you can get someone else to try and kick your football, Lucy.
Hahaha, as if you're a model of open-mindedness.
The point is to DEFEND YOUR WORLDVIEW AGAINST RATIONAL SCRUTINY. I'm really sorry that's apparently a novel concept for you. Maybe you just think that all worldviews except yours should be open to such scrutiny, but yours is obviously correct so no one should even bother. That's so pathetic I don't even know where to begin.
Answer the questions. You have the truth, right? Shouldn't be that hard.
You don't represent rational scrutiny. That's the damn point, genius.
Prove it.
In what way are my questions irrational?
So far, all you've said is that you don't want to answer them b/c you think I'm not going to change my mind. Of course, you can't know that unless you actually try, now can you? You've also just assumed you're in the right.
Anytime you feel like engaging in a real rational discussion, I'll be happy to do so, fundy.
Christian presuppositionalism is irrational, ergo, you fail to represent rational scrutiny. Of course you would disagree since your presuppositionalism has a different idea of what rationality is, and that's precisely why I say, again and again, it's a fruitless effort to advocate any position to you. We might as well be speaking two different languages, capiche?
This seems like something you'd find amusing: Iron Age Brain Unearthed
There are a lot of irrational beliefs, Christianity being just one of them. Others that don't involve gods tend to involve lady foxifuck, the monster in the closet, lockness, and the fairy toothmonger. I wish that lady foxifuck would just show up out of the cosmic nothingness dammit, that'll be the day that I can brag about my beliefs in lady foxifuck!
QF,
Is it too much to ask that you make an argument that Christianity is irrational? Maybe on your blog if you're loathe to use someone else's combox...
certainly, at your request:
Time for something completely irrational
The joy of religion
A jubilee to atheism
Thank you. I hope you won't mind if I interact with those posts, though probably not today or this week - don't have time. It's nice to know that SOMEone might be willing to step up to the plate, though - PhillyChief is apparently less willing. Cheap insults are easier, and cost less too.
See you!
If you could ever concede that you might be wrong, that there might not be a god, or at the very least be able to entertain hypotheticals concerning your god, MAYBE we could talk. Until then, why would I bother? It's like trying to talk to the guy on the street with the tinfoil hat.
In other words, be open to the possibility that the grounding for all laws of logic possibly doesn't exist.
And of course, how open-minded you yourself are is quite apparent as well. When you don't even feel the need to answer basic questions, what is someone supposed to conclude about you?
I can admit there might be a god. Can you admit there might not be one?
Yeah, that's what I thought, Mr. open-minded. Thanks for playing our game. As a contestant, you'll receive the home edition and a year's supply of Turtle Wax.
So you're so open-minded that you won't answer simple questions that might indeed prove your position inconsistent.
How impressive!
Not from someone too closeminded to actually respect the answers.
Btw, the home edition comes with a headdress. It might not fit YOUR head of course.
I have evolved beyond the need to dispute the existance of a God. Take all the time you need to read up on how retarded your religion really is Rho.
Rhology believes that fairy tales are more legitimate than the natural sciences, I don't quite get that. The Bible says that if you're a believer, then you should be able to walk on water like Jesus and his Disciples did, yet I'd be hardpressed to believe that Rhology can even make his car run on empty with his faith. Seriously, Rhology has a lot to learn from his Jesus Master Ninja before he can even come close to turning water into wine or teleporting from mountain A to mountain B some 200 miles away.
You should have a look at the comments section here to see how that nonsense breaks down pretty easily with one simple and hilarious example.
Well, since there is no scientific proof that gods exist, then there is no proving anything about the character of those gods either. Ergo, Rhology has no proof that his god exists or that his imaginary god isn't a child molestor.
Oh for fucks sake. Where does a guy who believes in the most unprovable of things, get off constantly demanding "prove it", to someone who doesn't?
This thread reads like a Beckett play.
Evo, you asked for it dude. Lady Foxifuck is real, I don't have any proof, but she's real. If you don't have any faith, then she'll give you a handy under the table when you're in an important business meeting just to spite you.
Geez, this thread looks familiar. You must get tired of this Philly.
Is this iggy you are playing with?
get off constantly demanding "prove it"
I love it. In ANY OTHER conversation with a Christian who doesn't know how to deal with your kind of arguments, you'd be demanding him to "prove it" all over the place. And yet here you can't answer the questions, so you just make fun of the one who is asking for the proof, the evidence. I even wrote a fairly long and involved post not long ago refuting another godless blogger's empiricism.
But it's like you develop a sudden and severe allergy to evidence when I walk by. It's actually pretty funny to watch. And uh oh, you didn't let Quantum_Flux in on the joke, and he gave you away.
Just look at what he said:
Lady Foxifuck is real, I don't have any proof, but she's real.
yet I'd be hardpressed to believe that Rhology can even make his car run on empty with his faith.
Then from here:
I can't believe that you would go on believing that people can just magically walk on water.
Give me a break Rho, you believe in all fairy tales and you know it.
Q_F, talk to John Evo and PhillyChief - apparently proof and evidence are for schmucks who get off on that sort of thing. You guys are a lot of fun to watch.
For Rhology, there are no proofs, no logic, no reason, no human intelligence without his god (who happens to be the Christian one, btw), and nothing can dissuade him from this; therefore, any argument you present him, regardless of it's validity or evidential support, he's incapable of accepting it if it doesn't acknowledge his god's existence.
The schmuck is someone who would engage in such a "debate" with him, and you'd REALLY be a schmuck if knowing this, you did it anyway just because he's taunting you like a frustrated child.
Fight ignorance with ignorance, I believe. Why through my pearls before swine?
Well I agree Rhology represents one of those cast not your pearls before swine examples.
Rhology, we ALL believe in the wisdom of "evidence". I'd even concede that YOU do. Except for when it comes to god.
So you and I know that there are empirically valid reasons for demanding of our fellow citizens that they not commit genocide. But when pointed out that your god demanded genocide at times, you decide to be cute and say "but HOW do you know genocide is bad"? That's just plain disingenuous.
Accuse me of anything you want, but somewhere inside, you know I'm right. We don't want to play the game when YOU demand the evidence, because it's a stupid game.
Dammit Rho, don't you realize that you are committing genocide every time you jerk off? The scientific definition of life is motility not conception, ha!
So I came over to your site because you came over to mine...
Islaam and Science goes hand in hand Allah exists.
Have your viewers take a look at it too.
http://thetruereligion.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/the-almighty-allah-exists/
Islaam and Science goes hand in hand Allah exists.
Now that's a laugh. Yeah, the Islamic world has really been cranking out those Nobel Prizes in science for the last 50 years, haven't they? Seriously, name 5 new advances in science and technology that benefit me during my life time (I'm almost forty) that I owe to a Muslim scientist.
Q_F - And you think Christians think that sperm are human beings...why exactly? You really are pitiful.
Tommy - I fail to see how what you said even approaches a rebuttal to what 'thetruereligion' said. Who cares whether they crank out Nobels? Isn't it a question of teaching?
Besides, Islam produced a bevy of scientific discoveries...back in the day. Been a while since, yeah, but you owe them that at least.
So "Islam produced a bevy of scientific discoveries"? Really? Pray tell, what scientific discoveries did Islam produce? I know of discoveries by those who practiced Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Confucianism, and those who worshipped Greek gods, Roman gods, Egyptian gods, and Central American gods, but I don't know of a single scientific discovery that was produced BY a particular religion or religious belief. Enlighten me.
Btw, "back in the day" in Rahman's Cordoba, science, mathematics, art and literature were permitted to flourish but because of departure from, not strict adherence to the Koran. The tolerance for religious and cultural diversity created an atmosphere for intellectual advancement. When Islam (or any religion for that matter) can achieve such a state, intellectualism will once again flourish.
I meant Muslims, not Islam.
Anyway, I don't intend to spend a lot of time on this, since my knowledge is lacking and since Isla(a)m (sic) isn't exactly my big interest...
Yet you couldn't resist an opportunity to lash out at somebody despite lacking both knowledge and interest on the subject at hand, and when called on it you want to slink away? My, my, my, how telling!
You are a bitter, cranky, weaseling human being, Rhology. You know your behavior is hardly going to win you any converts. I mean, if you are the crowning result of believing the shit you do, well, I think most people would be put off. Just throwing that out there for you.
Have a nice day
Tommy - I fail to see how what you said even approaches a rebuttal to what 'thetruereligion' said. Who cares whether they crank out Nobels? Isn't it a question of teaching?
Gee, maybe because it wasn't intended to be a full scale rebuttal, Rho. I suspect thetruereligion's comments were just a drive-by, so I didn't feel the need to go into detail. If he comes back, I will be happy to do so. Second, I just popped in here real quick earlier this morning after checking on the balance in my checking account.
Yes, the Muslims had there day, but you can't keep patting yourself on the back for something that happened a thousand years ago.
When you conquer places with a long history of civilization such as Mesopotamia and Egypt, yeah, you're bound to pick up a few things. Even so-called Arabic numbers were actually derived from India.
I referred to Nobel prizes as a quick and easy indicator of output.
This excerpt from one of my posts is an example of what I'm talking about:
"The September 2007 issue of National Geographic features a cover story on Pakistan. The article introduces the reader to Pervez Hoodbhoy, an MIT-trained professor of physics at Quaid-i-Azam University in Lahore. A few days after the devastating earthquake that struck the Pakistani controlled section of Kashmir in 2005, Professor Hoodbhoy described to his graduate-level physics class the geophysical forces that caused the earthquake.
"When I finished, hands shot up all over the room," he recalls. "'Professor, you are wrong,' my students said. 'That earthquake was the wrath of God.'"
Again, to repeat, this was a grad school physics class. If this is what some of the brightest minds in Pakistan believe, then what hope is there for the rest of the students there?
According to Professor Hoodbhoy, this ignorance stems from former Pakistani dictator General Zia-ul-Haq, whose education ministry issued guidelines on bringing an Islamic perspective to science and other subjects in the public schools.
Says Professor Hoodbhoy, "The Zia generation has come of age. It isn't Islamic to teach that earthquakes are caused by the movement of tectonic plates. Instead, you are supposed to say, by the will of Allah, an earthquake happens.""
Rho, Christians are the descendents of the monkeys that fell out of the tree in the center, I find that pitiful.
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