
I found this today, a very silly article by a Professor at South Dakota State University spouting nonsense about atheism and science. I really have a problem with bullshit, especially when it comes from people who should know better, and I think a PhD should know better. Oh well, what can you do?
It is indeed disappointing to see those with "PhD" after their names indicating that they have in fact undergone a rigorous degree of study and work in the field of science seemingly have no understanding of the underpinnings of science or the intent of scientific inquiry. Professor Kohl would have us believe that science currently is an atheist tool to deny a creator god and that science actually owes its existence to Christianity.
The notion that scientific inquiry has grown from a religion which promotes belief not just in lieu of evidence, but even in spite of evidence to the contrary, is patently absurd. Prof Kohl cites Bacon, yet when did he publish his Novum Organum? 1620. The religion responsible for scientific inquiry took some 1300 years after the solidification of it's beliefs at Nicea in 323 to give us this gift? Please. It's more like it took 1300 years to shrug off the suppression of scientific inquiry by Christianity before it could even be possible for Bacon to publish his ideas, and sadly, he wasn't even completely free of the shackles.
As George Henry Lewes pointed out in Birth of Modern Scientific Methods, Bacon and Descartes, Bacon didn't fully embrace observation and experimentation over faith:
That he had really but vague and imperfect conceptions of scientific method is decisively shown by his contemptuous rejection of Copernicus, Galileo, and Gilbert, and by his own plan of investigation into heat. One sentence alone would suffice to show this, namely, his sneer at Copernicus as "a man who thinks nothing of introducing fictions of any kind into nature, provided his calculations turn out well." Bacon did not understand, what Copernicus profoundly saw, that the only value of an hypothesis was its reconciliation of calculations with observations.
Over two centuries later, Darwin still faced criticism along the lines of Bacon's, criticism largely inspired by refusal to accept what's observed over what one wished to be true, and sadly we still face this still in the 21st century. Religious assertions of faith over scientific inquiry has a long history of impeding the development of mankind. Bacon wasn't completely immune, Galileo certainly suffered, and how many discoveries have we had to rediscover after Christians slew Hypatia and destroyed the library of Alexandria?
Logic and scientific inquiry have a long and storied history of peaks and valleys, from the Ancient Greeks through the Indus Valley, through the Muslim world in such works as Alhazen's Book of Optics, through Bacon, Descartes, and Darwin we should be inspired by the fact that no matter what stands in their way, they cannot be suppressed. The inadequacies of faith, the distaste of ignorance and the facts of observation are just too much to allow them to be suppressed forever.
Prof Kohl spoke of the "philosophical assumptions of science", as if materialism is simply a whimsical choice which having been made, shackles one to it, preventing any other possibilities, including allowing "a Divine Foot in the door." It is, in fact, the assumption of the supernatural, of creator gods and other unsubstantiated beliefs which shackle the mind and restrain inquiry. Science does not set out to deny a creator god. On the contrary, it would welcome him or anything else which it has reason to accept. It would be even more irresponsible to accept claims of creator gods and other elements of the supernatural which have no evidence for them than Prof. Kohl's assertions that science came about as a result of Christianity when there's a multitude of evidence to the contrary.
I thought I'd also include this little gem I saw recently...
2009-04-09
Nonsense from Prof. Kohl
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It is most unfortunate that people ever tried to work Christianity into a logical reality without first seeking objective evidence to verify the claims within the Biblical framework. Pure imagination, even if partially axiomized, will rarely reflect natural reality.
For instance, Christians make axiomatic claims about original sins, and therefore everbody deserves to go to hell, with the exception of people who believe in the resurection of a god that came to earth in human form and then sacrificed himself....I can't refute these claims based on imagination alone, but rather it is nature that refutes them via painting a completely different picture of what reality actually is. Thereby, Christianity is a system of memes, mental models, that rely on covering up and hiding the truth about the natural world. That is not science at all, it is evidence denialism and wishful thinking.
Thumbs up on the video, thumbs down on the professor.
"It is, in fact, the assumption of the supernatural, of creator gods and other unsubstantiated beliefs which shackle the mind and restrain inquiry."
Hardly. It doesn't restrain inquiry. How could it? It's already got the capital T True answer*.
*Except for the people from other religions, whose capital T Truth is clearly balderdash. Who in their right mind would follow a blue guy with too many arms, anyway?
Who's to say how many are too many arms? Have you not ever had moments where you wished you had another hand?
I like the term evidence denial.
I just had a chat with Ex about these science guys who buy into the religion. He can't fathom how they do it. Honestly, I don't much care if they do, but when they spout shit like this clown, then I get pissed off. PhD and a professor no less! Holy crap. Man, I should get a professor job.
Teacher Employment .... perhaps you could try Louisiana?
"Please. It's more like it took 1300 years to shrug off the suppression of scientific inquiry by Christianity before it could even be possible for Bacon to publish his ideas..."
Yo, Philly Two-Willies, et al!
For one thing, "Christianity" was paganism cloaked. The papacy is not recognized by TRUE Christians as any viable representative of God or Christ. Could even you begin to align what the papacy did during it's hey-day with anything even remotely connected with Christ? Even the so-called tyranny wielded by God (Christ, before His incarnation) in the OT, pales next to what human pontiffs and their minions pulled off during the Dark Ages.
The Council of Nicea was merely the ratification of previous pagan ideas long since held, and set the foundation for what would later become the 'science' of Humanism, where atheistic concepts first spawned. The original instigators of this specious new religion were the mentors of a disillusioned Darwin, upset by the untimely death of his daughter.
You shouldn't have a problem with bullshit, because you're always spouting it. In summation, it's YOUR religion that has suppressed scientific advancement, and continues to do so, because, as any moron knows, nature simply REEKS of evidence of intelligent design, but atheist bums like yourself are always right there to discredit and shout down any logical discussion about it.
YOU, get a professorship?
BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!
In what... rain dancing?
Gideon: Could even you begin to align what the papacy did during it's hey-day with anything even remotely connected with Christ?
QF: Actually, "throw rocks at people" Jesus was even more primitive than the "cut people's heads off with swords" Knights
Gideon: nature simply REEKS of evidence of intelligent design
QF: No it doesn't, but your head reeks like your ass from being up it all the time. Nature, molecular crystals, volcanic islands, semen, eggs, and etc. have absolutely no intelligent design in them, they all arise from the random processes of chaos and the transitions between one stability point and the next.
Well, "QF", I think it's actually you that has the fecally-plugged sinuses, myself, but, it's hard to argue with all of those technical terms, like "stability points", etc. I'm thinking more along the lines of symmetry, which invokes design and purpose, contrary to your theory that all of these amazingly efficient and complex things just happened along the ol' evolutionary trail.
And, again, with your usual charm, you're making absolute statements, like you were actually standing there, head in ass, observing (presumably through your belly-button) natural processes while they were just appearing from nothingness and evolving. I get heck whenever I make flat, absolute statements like that... how do you get away with it?
"Throw rocks at people" Jesus? When was that... in the OT? Oh... that. Well, I suppose fucking your neighbor's wife behind his back, then endangering the entire camp by lying about it, isn't a big deal to you, Quiff, but, then, again; you aren't the Creator that knows all, and knows that if you let one act of debauchery go unchecked, knowing human nature, soon the whole camp is one big Sodom and Gomorrah, and easy pickin's for your enemies, whom are just hiding and waiting for an opportunity to wipe your ass off of the face of the Earth. No big deal... sorry I brought it up!
Your pagan ancestors were running the papacy, just like their progeny do now. They had all kinds of interesting ways of dealing with Christians, who, much like myself, only want to live and let live. But, then some atheist asshole comes along and tells me I'm a plague that needs to wiped off of the Earth, and, being human like him/her, I get testy, and do what comes naturally.
Good thing I wasn't around in OT times... being an ex-soldier n' all...
Well, radiactive decay (from the time of cooling) shows the age of the Earth goes back 4 billion+ years:
Age of the Oceanic Crust
Age of the Continental Crust
Actually, cooling began when it began, and there is also some erosion etc due to the rock cycle too. Anyhow, the same mathematical model that is used for estimating and controlling the decay rates for a nuclear reactor, a nuclear bomb, a supercollider, and ect can also be used for really slow decay rates as well which is used in a variety of different dating methods as well.
If you check out the link again to Prof. Kohl, you'll see he's actually a YEC. Look at what he allegedly assigned to students. Frightening reads in the comments section there.
Gideon: Is having two willies a bad thing?
"Gideon: Is having two willies a bad thing?"
No, but one BIG willy is always preferable!
;-)
Ah, so you're the pillow biter type.
Yikes, just . . . yikes.
But the video? Kickass! I love the neighbor-fan thing. "Feed your head wisely!" can't be stressed enough.
But dude, there's no call to go insulting pillow-biters like that. Yeesh.
It's only an insult if you let it be. I think Gideon would let it be, probably because he's a self-hating pillow biter, if you know what I mean.
But comparing pillow-biters to Gideon? Harshing on the pillow-biters muchly, I think.
Though . . . Gideon's seeming size-queeniness does imply that comparison isn't unfounded. . . .
No, but one BIG willy is always preferable!Indeed, your Majesty.
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